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To do

GFDL:

Ideas

Every described place should be labeled all/vegetarian/vegan/raw (Mirto)

You mean, food markets and dumpsters and such? I think most of them will be all anyway, although yeah, sure, we can mention within an article if it is completely vegetarian, etc. --Sigurdas 07:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Logo/layout

I envision the current logo to be turned, and the greyish sides to be used as a background for the whole page. guaka 23:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I wonder what was the "current" logo of Nov.5, 2008? :) If it is still the same as it is now (the image)... hm... still, difficult to visualize. ;) --Sigurdas 07:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I just started project:Logo :) guaka 15:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I just changed it. Maybe someone can upload a transparent PNG version? guaka 21:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The picture looks like an elder lady pushing her trolly. - 23:27, 15 August 2009, 84.190.96.67
Ha-ha, even better: there is indeed quite some resemblance between SHOPPING and SKIPPING. ;) --Sigurdas 00:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

GFDL -> CC-BY-SA

As soon as Wikipedia is ready we should move to the Creative Commons ShareAlike Attribution 3.0 license. guaka 23:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

CC is great.
However, right now a whole bunch of images on trashwiki have no license at all, and it is hard to know where an image came from and what is its using conditions. When uploading, no instructions regarding licensing are given, and no notion about copyrighted material that is not welcomed here (as I would guess/suggest). Any plans to fix/deal with this? --Sigurdas 05:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to fix/deal with this :)
Basically, if it's good enough for Wikimedia Commons, we want it.
If it's not good enough, we want it as well ;) Basically, the only problem I can see is that someone would file a complaint with Trashwiki (or me/my company since I/it own/owns the domain and the server? side note: we'll probably set up a Dutch foundation to deal with this). But then we'll just take the picture down and it's mostly fine, apart from the people who have spread it on other places, but as long as we don't mention that it's under a free license they shouldn't have spread it in the first place. And almost anyone is completely unaware of licensing issues anyway (well, yeah, it's pretty complex).
What's the current status of this at Hitchwiki? guaka 19:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Hitchwiki will probably switch on the 1st of July. I propose Trashwiki will be doing the same thing (give or take a few days) unless someone disagrees. guaka 21:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I just switched :) guaka 01:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Spread the word

Non-food-related trash?

Is it okay to create articles that do no relate to food on this wiki? For instance, I dumpster-dive computer parts and furniture... -mza

Totally! Right, Kasper? --Sigurdas 07:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Anything that is trash, eatable and non-eatable :D, and anything anyone finds suitable to TrashWiki. --Robino 10:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Totally! Your tips about any type of trash are very welcome, both in general (e.g. adding info on how to deal with computer parts) as well as specific location based ("the MIT dumpsters contain awesome stuff - bring donuts for the janitor" ;). guaka 18:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Rewrites/cleanups

In general, what's the deal with all those "trivial rewrites" anyway? (from "Helsinki" edit|User:Narnua)

It beats me how crudely English language is often being used both here and on hitchwiki.org - many sentences are constructed in German, East European and similar ways of using a language, and it is painful to see some sentences where only Middle Europeans and such would make any sense out of something that is actually being written in English words. It is quite obvious the bigger this wiki gets the more in need it will be for a regular proof-reading by a native English speaker - and while there is none, as I happened to notice, I'm doing some "cleaning" jobs here and there, under some guidance of my Californian x-girlfriend, so that our fellows Americans and such won't get puzzled too much by our raw knowledge of English.--Sigurdas 07:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
It's a wiki, and if you think you can improve the language in whatever way (spelling, style), do it! Of course, try to limit the use of words that won't be understood by intermediary speakers of English - of course this depends on the context. On the other side, any contributions are welcome, as long as it's more or less possible to deduce meaning. guaka 18:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Category:Freegans

What do you think about setting up a Category:Freegans for all registered trashwiki users (and for some images, too)? It is obviously better than being an uncategorized user, right? --Sigurdas 19:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure! I guess it's somehow independent from Category:Dumpster divers, right? guaka 23:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, by definition it is, although practically both have a lot in common.
Actually, trashwiki users, perhaps, can be both categorized and not, huh? They are all listed anyway, and probably not everyone is a diver or a freegan - or is one? --Sigurdas 04:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Good idea I would say. Maybe a nice way forward is to write a page on profile (also for hitchwiki e.g.) and explaining people how they can categorize themselves and which are the default categories. In this sense, I don't mind giving myself the categories "I am a freegan", "I am a dumpster diver", or "tech-diver", or "trash-artist" (I make art out of trash), and "I am based in Amsterdam". This page should then also be linked from the first page that you get once you are registered. --Robino 09:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
What about a box at the main page~right next to the gray intro to promote the user categories (and other prominent pages)? --Kardan 20:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
just do :) --Robino 23:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
of course, I forgot about that :) --Kardan 09:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This project rocks!

In less than 3 months we've created a nice lil community already! I think it's time for some contemplation and deeper meaning :) guaka 19:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Exotic Food page

Lately I recycled many strange, exotic fruits, that I saw for the 1st time. It would be useful to have a page about those, to facilitate their recognition: photo + NAME + short description + how you eat it. Mirto 14:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure, Mirto, go ahead! --Sigurdas 20:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Trashwiki t-shirts

---> Trashwiki:T-Shirt - what do you think? --Sigurdas 20:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool! :) guaka 13:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Hide from Google?

Moved to project:robots.txt.

Some problems

There seems to be a little problem with images. Articles with images might show an error the first time they're loaded, but it seems to be fixed after that. Let me know if this is still occurring tomorrow. Another issue is that I can't login with my openid from this Mac thingy I'm using now (wireless is flaky). Anyone else with openid troubles? guaka .. --20:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I still encountered one today, but I think it was a page that probably hadn't been accessed in a long time. Now that Googlebot isn't visiting us anymore some pages might sit around without a visit for a much longer time. guaka 20:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Links to company websites

Linking to websites of companies can be a problem, if companies check the referrers to their websites. It's probably better to just leave it as text in truetype so that people who care can actually copy and paste it without showing the referring site (trashwiki). I just did that for Trader Joe's. What do you think? guaka 20:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Require all links to companies be tinyurl'd?
Not sure, I usually don't like tinyurls. It's harder to check the links. Also, I don't think many dumpster divers need to look up the websites of the companies they dive at, or do they? :) guaka 12:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Some people like to know what they are dealing with... Dunno, just in case... I don't know what for. Also, about checking the links...--169.229.36.59 01:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

For locations: IsIn instead of categories

Just like at Wikitravel, I'm considering ditching the location categories and exclusively use IsIn for that purpose, it seems a bit cleaner. But I need some other opinions. guaka 10:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I am used more to having categories. But if you promise to change all location pages to IsIn, I don't mind so much. --Sigurdas 16:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Some categorization is now coming from the IsIn template. That way we can easily change things! guaka 21:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem with upload

There's a problem with uploading files right now. I'm looking into it. guaka 10:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

BackAndForth

I installed the BackAndForth extension and hacked the main page out of it :) It's adding next and previous links to pages. Let me know if you don't like it and I disable it. guaka 19:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

And I found out that Zucchini is our last and, funny enough, 1968 is our first page! :D guaka 19:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Which other language?

I want to set up Trashwiki in another language. Which one should be first? French or German, or maybe Swedish, or Lithuanian, or...? ;) guaka 23:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we are in need for this. But if you REALLY want a new language, I would cast my vote for Spanish. I am studying it now, so I might help with some basic info, perhaps. --Sigurdas 23:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah, mira! It's not necessary, but this whole wiki in itself is not necesssary ;) And a few more languages will increase the reach of the project. Pero, hay otra gente (madre hablantes?) que quiere escribir en espanol? guaka 10:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
¡Por supuesto! Si es fácil de crear, creo que la wiki español sería el más útil. --Sigurdas 21:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Upgrade, and images from Wikimedia Commons

I just upgraded to mediawiki 1.15.1. And you can now use images from the commons! Just find a file there and use it in here, e.g. 200px - it's probably even better to directly upload your own work over there so that it can be used in many other projects! guaka 23:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Great. The only vital disadvantage is that those who are not so much into wiki editing might get puzzled by redirections from one wiki project to another, et cetera. Right now, here http://trashwiki.org/en/Special:Upload we have clear directions how to - and if you really want to make users use rather Wikimedia Commons instead of a local Upload page, then you have to rewrite a How-To in the first place. Nice iniciative, though, Kaspario. --Sigurdas 00:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

User spamming main page

208.75.10.42 added a link to some website selling swimming pool stuff, of all things. Maybe that IP should get banned or something? --N0r 15:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Done :) guaka 17:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

interacting with freekipedia

I'm working on a project called freekipedia.net, which is intend to be a wiki on all sorts of moneyfree living. But as you guys already did so wonderful work, I wonder how to implement your work. Shall I simply link to your side, copy parts or do you have a better idea? Of course, you're welcome to contribute on freekipedia, which is still in a very early stage. I feel, that there's some sort of side needed, which consolidates different already existing sides like trashwiki, hitchwiki, but also things like hospitality services, freecycling etc. Maybe there is already something like that I don't know or it need something else? What do you think?

First of all, I think you need to get rid of spammers at freekipedia.net asap. Second, it would be cool to integrate this information. Last time I made an effort towards that was 3 years ago. I don't think it shouldn't be a wiki though, I'd rather set up a Drupal site, and create a module that can pull in (and cache) articles from wikis and show them in a nice way. Might happen later this year, or not :)
But of course you're free to copy stuff anyway, as it's all available under creative commons licenses :) Just link back to the respective projects.
Also check out Sharewiki, the approach is slightly different but it might be close enough to what you want to achieve and there's already a community and a bunch of nice articles. guaka 13:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Facebook

I was talking to Kristofer from Doing The World For Free recently, and he said it would be good for such a project like Trashwiki to have its own Facebook page/group. Yeah! :) I can easily create it and administrate, but I want your opinions: should we have a page or a group? --Sigurdas 08:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

A group is prolly more interactive. But why not both?  :) guaka 14:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, a group has been created. Why not both page and group? It is better to have one good quality and functional page than few chaotic ones with similar content, imho. --Sigurdas 17:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Maps

Hi, I have this maps of Bristol skip but I can't find a way to integrate it on Trashwiki, is it even possible ? http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=106291889187219451455.00047e6e70a44edb3b717

About maps: Trashwiki:How to add maps --Sigurdas 12:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Dmoz Open Directory

Trashwiki should be on dmoz, but I don't know which category... guaka 12:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Hiding referer

In the Australia article I saw links to store locators. It's better to not have "trashwiki.org" as the referer show up in companies' web analytics. I looked around and came across http://shortrefer.com/? - a nice service that will show up instead as a referer if used. I checked it and it seems to work properly. So we should probably use this when linking to company websites. guaka 22:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. --Sigurdas 00:18, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Shortreferer is not working anymore :( I'm thinking about setting up a service myself :) guaka 11:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
First attempt: http://hidereferer.vm2.guaka.org/?r=http://trashwiki.org/ guaka 12:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
A bit shorter now: http://ref.guaka.org/?r=trashwiki.org guaka 17:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
A template: here

. guaka 11:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Copies of newspaper or magazine clippings

"I think it (File:Leven van afval rotterdam.png) is not really under a free license, better to state that instead? ;))" - Guaka

That's true, it is probably not. The policies of Wikimedia Commons for example reject any newspaper or magazine clippings unless their copyright expired, for example if the author had been already dead for 70+ years. But I do not think then it is good to use clippings at all, since we actually know we most likely shouldn't. I tried to find information on that particular matter but Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works seems like does not say much about photocopied newspaper clippings, and probably a general rule of articles' copyright validity is applied. I would therefore vote for deletion of newspaper clippings on Trashwiki, just to be consistent with the current copyright jurisdiction, which, may I say, varies depending on country, and since Trashwiki is registered in Holland, I presume, it should therefore take into consideration local jurisdiction, which I am not really familiar with. --Sigurdas 10:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
ok- let me think about this :-) --robino 15:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Will upload them elsewhere and then link to them from trashwiki. Guess there is no issue with deeplinking ;-) ? Will proceed myself to delete the clippings. --robino 13:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I think that as long as a copyrighted material is not pictured/written down here, we're fine. --Sigurdas 23:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

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